he uses that phrase, made or broken. he said, the coach will take the kids out of the camp and they will be made or broken, and so when i saw it, that was it. >> and what other books are you working on? >> well, i've written two previous books. one -- a bit about the first two, one is about a sharecropper, cotten picking boy at a mill worker. that's called "mill daddy." and another is "mother's dream" it's a story about a dream my mother had about watching my dad play baseball. well, my dad organized the baseball deal in the late 50s in indiana. it's about their friendship, their love, and it's more than a sports book in terms of that particular book. i have begun working on a book about grady caldwell because of what happened to him. grady who is a central figure in the book, he fell into the pit of drug use and addiction, and i interviewed him in prison, as a matter of fact for this book, but then there are other themes that emerge in his life, redemption and his family stuck with him, and now he's a minister in griffi